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‘A Certain Grim Pleasure’: Norman Mailer Speaks with Longtime Friend James Toback about Film.” V Life 397 (December 2004-January 2005), 76–79, 114–15. In a wide-ranging discussion on film and the horrors of modern life, Mailer also explains how the writing process has changed for him over the years: “I used to pride myself on the white heat of my first drafts . . . now it’s not like that. My first drafts are much below the final product.”