Talk:Norris Church Mailer

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@Dillbug, Dmcgonagill, JVbird, JenniferMGA, Mango Masala, Namir Riptide, Sherita Sims-Jones, and Waebo: OK, our job here is to write a concise 200-word bio of NCM. Since we're all experts, this should be pretty straightforward. All references in the shared drive should be used, which might present a bit more of a challenge. This is the big writing assignment for this week, and I see no one has begun, so consider this the 🔥. 😁 —Grlucas (talk) 17:30, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

@Grlucas: Thanks for the fire! It's on my to-do list for today, after I finish my last set of papers. only 12 more to go. Then a 200 word bio. JVbird (talk) 17:36, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
@Grlucas: I worked on the assignment some yesterday and will work on again tomorrow. So much to do, so little time!--Dillbug (talk) 01:14, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
@Grlucas: Thanks for the update. I have been working on the 12 letters for the project mailer, but I do have some information to add for the bio. Waebo (talk) 01:53, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
@Grlucas: @JVbird: @Waebo: Okay, I think I have gotten the bio down to 200 words or less. Please check it out and tell me your thoughts. If we could all work on adding all the citations into the bio and any links you think we need we can get this task completed and not catch the wrath of Grlucas!--Dillbug (talk) 02:57, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
@Grlucas: @JVbird: @Waebo: @Dillbug: @Dmcgonagill: @JenniferMGA: @Namir Riptide: @Sherita Sims-Jones:Looking good, everyone! I've made some edits and added italics. I think we're about 28 words too long; I'm going to look through the NCM articles in the Google Drive to ensure we've used everything and will also work on the citations.Mango Masala (talk) 18:57, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
@Mango Masala: I'll also go in one more time and see if I can cut some as well, Mariam. The citations are definitely missing. I'll help with that right away as well. JVbird (talk) 19:02, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
@Waebo: @Dillbug: @Dmcgonagill: @JenniferMGA: @Namir Riptide: @Sherita Sims-Jones: Also, the Tulsa World source has a bit of a different take on a couple of things. The Executioner's Song was a TV movie, whereas the bio may be slightly off if we call it a movie? I'm also rethinking my description of the memoir as chronicling their marriage. That may be too specific. It's not just about their marriage, right? We may have to adjust the description of Art to paintings in her one-woman shows. What do you all think? Might need to just double check facts here a bit... JVbird (talk) 19:47, April 6 2019 (UTC)
@Dillbug, JVbird, JenniferMGA, Mango Masala, Namir Riptide, Sherita Sims-Jones, and Waebo: Just got done with ALL DAY baseball & yardwork, here to join the party! (Dmcgonagill (talk) 23:10, 6 April 2019 (UTC))
@Dmcgonagill: sounds like a fun day, Dana. Maybe you can help me with what is up with my wiki links. When I do the brackets for words like Norman Mailer, they do not create an auto link where you hover over the word and get a thumbnail to a Wiki page. I remember something Lucas told me, that I need to put a w inside the bracket, as in w Norman Mailer to do that in Wikipedia, but I think I have the code wrong there. I'm going to look for the code again, then wikify it by giving links to Wilhelmina modeling agency, the school, the city, and those movies and tv shows, along with NM himself. Should anything else be wikified? JVbird (talk) 23:19, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
@Dmcgonagill: The code is this, right: Norman Mailer Right? JVbird (talk) 23:35, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
@JVbird and Dmcgonagill: Mailer has his own page here, so any links to him should just be [[Norman Mailer]]. If you're just linking his last name, you can use this code, too: {{NM}}. —Grlucas (talk) 12:40, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
@Grlucas and Dmcgonagill: Thanks, Dr. Lucas! JVbird (talk) 15:29, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
{{reply to|Dmcgongill}@JVbird: When you put the 'w:' inside the bracket, make sure you use the double colons as well.--Dillbug (talk) 23:46, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
@JVbird: I just wrote you a real long response and must have forget to save!!! Ok, you use [[w:<wikipedia title>|<desired text output to page>]] for wiki links outside of our project mailer & [[<project mailer heading>|<desired text output to page>]] for wiki links inside of our project that clear?(Dmcgonagill (talk) 23:54, 6 April 2019 (UTC))
@Dmcgonagill: Roger that! Merci. Now to get those dang references going. JVbird (talk) 23:59, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
@Dmcgonagill: @JVbird: We are citing the works found in the shared Google Drive under the Works Cited section, correct? I'm attempting to cite the official fellowship you think I should cite it as a press release? thanks! Mango Masala (talk) 00:29, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
@Mango Masala and Dmcgonagill: That's my understanding, that all the sources in shared Google Drive should be listed there, as well as the additional source that, I believe, Rian located for the information on the Creative Writing fellowship. Then the in text citations have to be inserted as well. I tried, actually, to just pull them over from the original NCM page we worked on, but that did not work at all. Trying again JVbird (talk) 24:38, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
@Mango Masala and JVbird: I made citations for every document except that one that yes I think is a press release. Somebody please check my work though, I am a novice but here is a link that helps with the formation The table on the right links you to all of the most common ones anyway(Dmcgonagill (talk) 00:58, 7 April 2019 (UTC))
@Dmcgonagill and JVbird: Thank you both for the clarification. I'm just seeing your works cited Dana and will check, too. I did try the press release template, but it did not look correct, so I deleted and will try again. Mango Masala (talk) 01:02, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
@JVbird and Mango Masala: I just added some headings too. All feel free to alter, I was just throwing something out there because that seems to be the way with biography pages. I'm out for today. I'll check back in the morning! Happy editing, as wikiedu likes to end with! 718smiley.svg (Dmcgonagill (talk) 01:11, 7 April 2019 (UTC))
@Dmcgonagill: Thanks for headings - it's taking shape. I think I've added the press release properly...will look again with fresh eyes tomorrow morn. Mango Masala (talk) 02:18, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

@JVbird and Mango Masala: I added a citation for each detail except She was the mother of two children and stepmother of Norman Mailer's five children. Can either of you find which source could support that and add a citation? It is interesting combing closer through the support documents that a couple of them give opposing facts to support opposing ideas about the Norman Norris marriage and relationship. Future contributors, could surely add supporting evidence on that. Anyhow, I'm done contributing to this. For a first legit group effort, I think this looks pretty good. Thanks y'all.(Dmcgonagill (talk) 15:14, 7 April 2019 (UTC))

@Dmcgonagill and Mango Masala: I sure will, Dana. I even thought of taking that out entirely, the reference to children, but it seemed to me a salient fact, although whether it belongs where I placed it, I am not ultimately sure. (JVbird (talk) 15:26, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
@Dmcgonagill and JVbird: Well done and thank you, guys! I will look for sources and add citation if found. Josef, I also thought about omitting info about children...I suppose whether we find citations or not will determine its fate.Mango Masala (talk) 15:41, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
@Mango Masala and Dmcgonagill: I found the source, Berger, added that citation, and then adjusted a couple of the words in the headers. That last one seemed more appropriate for the word Legacy, Death and Legacy...See what you think. JVbird (talk) 15:49, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
@JVbird: Smashing, Josef! I like Legacy and Death, thanks. And, thank you @Dillbug: for trimming. I also see the red source indicating a non-existent page...I'm not certain what to look for in the code...did you use a template? Mango Masala (talk) 20:22, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
@Mango Masala and Grlucas: Let's ask Dr. Lucas, then, since we're all stumped. Any suggestions for correcting the problem we are seeing with the non existent page for this source on the NCM bio: Bragg, M. A. (November 23, 2010). "Provincetown Arts 'hero' Mailer is missed". Newsgroup: Retrieved 2010-11-26. Thanks! JVbird (talk) 20:38, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

@Dillbug, Dmcgonagill, JVbird, JenniferMGA, Mango Masala, Namir Riptide, Sherita Sims-Jones, and Waebo: I reduced the total to exactly 200 words without taking anything relevant out. Please everyone review and let me know if you agree. Note to Joseph: I like Death and Legacy very much! --Dillbug (talk) 17:27, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

@Dillbug, Dmcgonagill, JenniferMGA, Mango Masala, Namir Riptide, Sherita Sims-Jones, and Waebo: Looks great, Sandy! Any idea what is up with that one red source in the References list? When I hover over it, I get a note that the source does not exist. I'll check to see if I can figure out the citation but I'm the last one to be able to "see" errors in the codes UGH --JVbird (talk) 17:31, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
@JVbird: That red is due to the website being out of service I believe, but I don't know what else to do because that was the link provided by the source.(Dmcgonagill (talk) 22:04, 7 April 2019 (UTC))
@JVbird and Dmcgonagill: It didn’t recognize “newsgroup. Chnaged it to work and corrected the site to the current one fixed the error. Namir Riptide (talk) 23:45, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
@Dillbug, Dmcgonagill, JVbird, JenniferMGA, Mango Masala, Namir Riptide, and Waebo: Fabulous job. This bio if very specific, concise, and to the point. Please let me know if I need to do or add anything else. -ssimsjones (talk) 16:11, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
@Dillbug, Dmcgonagill, JVbird, JenniferMGA, Mango Masala, and Namir Riptide: This Bio is looking really good. Is there anything else we could add or something that someone needs help with?Waebo (talk) 23:34, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
@Dillbug and Weabo: I am not sure what needs to be changed, but looking it over with critical eyes, maybe prints with red pens, maybe the most help. I know I changed some some wording. Namir Riptide (talk) 23:45, 7 April 2019 (UTC)