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{{byline|last=Gordon|first=Andrew | {{byline |last=Gordon |first=Andrew M. |url=http://prmlr.us/mr04gor |abstract=Norman Mailer spoke to a crowd at the University of California, Berkeley in the fall of 1972, toward the end of the Nixon-McGovern campaign. It was a memorable evening, raucous and rowdy, as his speech was heckled and disrupted frequently. In 1986, Mailer came to the University of Florida in Gainesville in February 1986 to give a talk entitled “The Art of Writing.” In 1972, it was one of the tempestuous Nixon years: the Vietnam War was still raging, the country was facing an election, and Mailer confronted vociferous protesters. In contrast to that wild evening, by 1986 it was the quiescent Reagan era, the tranquilized Eighties. The times were tamer, and Mailer too had aged and mellowed.}} | ||
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==I. 1972: Uncle Norman at Berkley == | |||
{{start|“Norman Mailer! How can you waste your time on him?}} He’s just a Male Chauvinist Pig, an asshole.” So said some of my friends, consigning him to the trash heap of the totally irrelevant. But Mailer was not your run-of-the-mill MCP; he had elaborated a private metaphysics and arrived at his conclusions by reasoning as tortured and complex as that of a Talmudic scholar. | |||
It was the fall of 1972, toward the end of the Nixon-McGovern campaign. I was a graduate student at the University of California, finishing a doctoral dissertation about Mailer’s fiction, a project that had engaged me in a close scrutiny of his work and his volatile public personality. Writing a long study of someone is marriage of a sort; you do not commit yourself to it lightly. At times during those years, Mailer looked to me like an existential hero. At other times, he was an arrogant boor, a first-rate genius or a second-rate clown, a modest gentleman or an egomaniacal tyrant, a weird mixture of incompatible extremes, as various and schizoid as Mailer’s own portrait of his beloved America. So, my feelings toward him alternated between attraction and repulsion, hero worship and total disillusionment. I had never met the man, and I couldn’t make up my mind. | It was the fall of 1972, toward the end of the Nixon-McGovern campaign. I was a graduate student at the University of California, finishing a doctoral dissertation about Mailer’s fiction, a project that had engaged me in a close scrutiny of his work and his volatile public personality. Writing a long study of someone is marriage of a sort; you do not commit yourself to it lightly. At times during those years, Mailer looked to me like an existential hero. At other times, he was an arrogant boor, a first-rate genius or a second-rate clown, a modest gentleman or an egomaniacal tyrant, a weird mixture of incompatible extremes, as various and schizoid as Mailer’s own portrait of his beloved America. So, my feelings toward him alternated between attraction and repulsion, hero worship and total disillusionment. I had never met the man, and I couldn’t make up my mind. | ||
So, when I heard that the great man was coming to town, Uncle Norman giving a lecture at Berkeley, all the mixed feelings leaped to the surface, like Dexedrine warring with | So, when I heard that the great man was coming to town, Uncle Norman giving a lecture at Berkeley, all the mixed feelings leaped to the surface, like Dexedrine warring with seconal in the head. After grappling so long with his shadow, to confront the legend in the flesh—I felt as much apprehension as anticipation. | ||
“There’s gonna be trouble,” I heard some prophesy gleefully. “Woman’s Lib ain’t gonna let him get away with it.” | “There’s gonna be trouble,” I heard some prophesy gleefully. “Woman’s Lib ain’t gonna let him get away with it.” {{pg|396|397}} | ||
The scene as I approached Zellerbach Auditorium seemed to bear out their warnings. In front of the ticket line, a handful of demonstrators were holding up their placards: “A little bit of rape is good for a man’s soul, says Norman Mailer.” Surprisingly, the militants were primarily gays, not women. Super macho meets the army of gays. It seemed to promise a classic contest: ''Classic Comics'', perhaps. | |||
The scene as I approached Zellerbach Auditorium seemed to bear out their warnings. In front of the ticket line, a handful of demonstrators were holding up their placards: “A little bit of rape is good for a man’s soul, says Norman Mailer.” Surprisingly, the militants were primarily gays, not women. Super macho meets the army of gays. It seemed to promise a classic contest: Classic Comics, perhaps. | |||
I was surprised to find my instinct was to defend the champ. Couldn’t they picket grosser offenders than Mailer? Or was it only that he had the boldness to announce unpopular views and the foolishness to take on all comers? | I was surprised to find my instinct was to defend the champ. Couldn’t they picket grosser offenders than Mailer? Or was it only that he had the boldness to announce unpopular views and the foolishness to take on all comers? | ||
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The audience was ready to pick up the gauntlet. “Norman, you shmuck!” yelled a woman’s voice. | The audience was ready to pick up the gauntlet. “Norman, you shmuck!” yelled a woman’s voice. | ||
“Sweet heckler, all I heard was schmuck. I’m sure you don’t know the | “Sweet heckler, all I heard was ''schmuck''. I’m sure you don’t know the {{pg|397|398}} meaning of the word. The meaning of ''shmuck'' is ''cunt''. And if I’m a Male Chauvinist Pig, I could not possibly be a cunt. God would not so honor me. So ‘''shmuck you''.{{' "}} | ||
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meaning of the word. The meaning of ''shmuck'' is ''cunt''. And if I’m a Male Chauvinist Pig, I could not possibly be a cunt. God would not so honor me. So ‘''shmuck you''. | |||
Cheers. | Cheers. | ||
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As the interruptions continued, Mailer began to lose patience, like the hard-as-nails principal of a slum school, trying to deliver a lecture to an assembly full of punks while the smartasses in the balcony pelt him with spit balls. “I tell you what, gang,” said Mailer, “keep it up and we’re gonna have a showdown.” | As the interruptions continued, Mailer began to lose patience, like the hard-as-nails principal of a slum school, trying to deliver a lecture to an assembly full of punks while the smartasses in the balcony pelt him with spit balls. “I tell you what, gang,” said Mailer, “keep it up and we’re gonna have a showdown.” | ||
The crowd was vastly amused by these sideshows even as I was finding them more and more tiresome. I resented the protestors for their interruptions, and I resented Mailer for encouraging them. Was he only going to play the clown this evening? | The crowd was vastly amused by these sideshows even as I was finding them more and more tiresome. I resented the protestors for their interruptions, and I resented Mailer for encouraging them. Was he only going to play the clown this evening?{{pg|398|399}} | ||
Suddenly, a man enveloped from head to toe in a furry pink costume bunny-hopped onto the stage. He was a Bay Area grotesque, a walking phallus, a local character who called himself “The People’s Prick.” The author strode up to this pink furry outrage—we expected him to start swinging—but he only removed the sign pinned to the ambulatory shmuck. It read, “Mailer than thou.” Mailer placed it in front of the lectern. “One down, 8,700 to go.” | |||
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Suddenly, a man enveloped from head to toe in a furry pink costume bunny-hopped onto the stage. He was a Bay Area grotesque, a walking phallus, a local character who called himself “The People’s Prick.” The author strode up to this pink furry outrage—we expected him to start | |||
Applause. | Applause. | ||
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But the protestors had exhausted their best ammunition early in the spectacle. The evening went on and subsequent interruptions were shouted down by the audience. When they pleaded for aid for the two phallic impersonators who had been busted, nobody cared. For all the justice of their cause, the gays had ambushed themselves with juvenile inanity. | But the protestors had exhausted their best ammunition early in the spectacle. The evening went on and subsequent interruptions were shouted down by the audience. When they pleaded for aid for the two phallic impersonators who had been busted, nobody cared. For all the justice of their cause, the gays had ambushed themselves with juvenile inanity. | ||
The crowd was Mailer’s for the rest of the evening and he began to get good. He read from his new book about the 1972 presidential campaign, St. George and the Godfather, he talked about the “totalitarianism” of the woman’s movement and of Richard Nixon, he considered the “monstrous disproportions” of the Vietnam war, with its “moral atrocities that bugger the mind,” and he spoke of the blight that rests upon the twentieth century, which he called “lividity of the will.” | The crowd was Mailer’s for the rest of the evening and he began to get good. He read from his new book about the 1972 presidential campaign, ''St. George and the Godfather'', he talked about the “totalitarianism” of the woman’s movement and of Richard Nixon, he considered the “monstrous disproportions” of the Vietnam war, with its “moral atrocities that bugger the mind,” and he spoke of the blight that rests upon the twentieth century, which he called “lividity of the will.” | ||
Mailer was warming up now, growing more eloquent and impassioned as he arrived at the core of his ideas, orating in his characteristically rapid, staccato fashion. The extemporaneous words flowed the way his elaborate phrases do in print, in long, elegant sentences that bend and turn and gather momentum. He claimed that the country may be “already afloat on a sea of totalitarianism which is different from any which has ever been visited before on the earth. For this is a species of benign totalitarianism. . . .” | Mailer was warming up now, growing more eloquent and impassioned as he arrived at the core of his ideas, orating in his characteristically rapid, staccato fashion. The extemporaneous words flowed the way his elaborate phrases do in print, in long, elegant sentences that bend and turn and gather momentum. He claimed that the country may be “already afloat on a sea of totalitarianism which is different from any which has ever been visited before on the earth. For this is a species of benign totalitarianism. . . .” | ||
Then he denounced the arrogance and self-righteousness of the New Left | Then he denounced the arrogance and self-righteousness of the New Left {{pg|399|400}} and said that in the years before us we must begin to question all our motives. “Because finally, all evident before us, is the knowledge that ''we are all full of shit''—from top to bottom.” | ||
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and said that in the years before us we must begin to question all our motives. “Because finally, all evident before us, is the knowledge that we are all full of | |||
Now the jester had taken on the guise of the revolutionary theorist. And we believed him; perhaps he had the handle on where the truth was hidden. His strategy had been to establish a communality with all of us—he was full of shit, but then, so were we all. He was one leap ahead because he already knew how full of it he was, and we, perhaps, did not. | Now the jester had taken on the guise of the revolutionary theorist. And we believed him; perhaps he had the handle on where the truth was hidden. His strategy had been to establish a communality with all of us—he was full of shit, but then, so were we all. He was one leap ahead because he already knew how full of it he was, and we, perhaps, did not. | ||
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The speech was over, and he fielded questions from the audience, handling them with the aplomb of a politician. He could rattle off a quick reply to every questioner and a snappy rejoinder to every heckler. The only difference between Mailer and a candidate was that Mailer’s responses were not memorized. He could take the most prosaic question and weave you an epic poem of an answer. | The speech was over, and he fielded questions from the audience, handling them with the aplomb of a politician. He could rattle off a quick reply to every questioner and a snappy rejoinder to every heckler. The only difference between Mailer and a candidate was that Mailer’s responses were not memorized. He could take the most prosaic question and weave you an epic poem of an answer. | ||
The protestors went down to defeat a second time. Whereas Mailer was familiar with every argument they could muster, they had never read his books and knew his ideas only as clumsy slogans. | The protestors went down to defeat a second time. Whereas Mailer was familiar with every argument they could muster, they had never read his books and knew his ideas only as clumsy slogans. {{" '}}It is better to rape than to masterbate’ —Norman Mailer” one of their placards read. They couldn’t even spell “masturbate” right. So, it was no contest. Compared to Mailer, the crowd seemed weak and unfocused. He was a master of words; everything in him had been concentrated toward the shaping of himself, the honing of his razor-sharp wit. It is the kind of weapon you must develop to survive in the jungle of New York higher culture, but Mailer also used this wit as the sharpest instrument in his literary arsenal. | ||
Finally, I could see the difference between the audience and Mailer: they were amateurs, and he was a professional. He’d had his entire life to develop the role of Norman Mailer, and he’d really got his act together. If, at times, the performance verged on the slick, it was always surprising. He gave you more than your money’s worth. I thought of Mark Twain playing the lecture circuit (although Twain never had to cope with “The People’s Prick”). | Finally, I could see the difference between the audience and Mailer: they were amateurs, and he was a professional. He’d had his entire life to develop the role of Norman Mailer, and he’d really got his act together. If, at times, the performance verged on the slick, it was always surprising. He gave you more than your money’s worth. I thought of Mark Twain playing the lecture circuit (although Twain never had to cope with “The People’s Prick”). | ||
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He clasped the hand of one attractive woman a little longer than usual. I caught the tag end of the conversation. “We must get together when I come back to San Francisco. Where will you be?” | He clasped the hand of one attractive woman a little longer than usual. I caught the tag end of the conversation. “We must get together when I come back to San Francisco. Where will you be?” | ||
She, smiling enigmatically, said: “Well, I move around a lot.” | She, smiling enigmatically, said: “Well, I move around a lot.”{{pg|400|401}} | ||
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Mailer: “Don’t worry, I’ll find you.” | Mailer: “Don’t worry, I’ll find you.” | ||
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Granted, Mailer was not Krassner, but as I listened to his spiel, I could not help being fascinated. Here was Mailer tossing out idea after idea, rapidly and effortlessly. Here was an expert, a professional, a man who had molded his talent and his personality into that species of human magic we call genius. But was he too much the intellectual machine, feeding off his own substance? His ego seemed hidden inside an intricate fortress of metaphor. | Granted, Mailer was not Krassner, but as I listened to his spiel, I could not help being fascinated. Here was Mailer tossing out idea after idea, rapidly and effortlessly. Here was an expert, a professional, a man who had molded his talent and his personality into that species of human magic we call genius. But was he too much the intellectual machine, feeding off his own substance? His ego seemed hidden inside an intricate fortress of metaphor. | ||
I talked with his traveling secretary, a lovely, soft-spoken young woman named Suzanne, who said she was a writer herself. “I read The Prisoner of Sex and thought that he must be a terrible man, an awful person. But when I got to know him, I found that he wasn’t like that at all. He’s really very nice. Sometimes, I feel like I ought to protect him.” | I talked with his traveling secretary, a lovely, soft-spoken young woman named Suzanne, who said she was a writer herself. “I read ''The Prisoner of Sex'' and thought that he must be a terrible man, an awful person. But when I got to know him, I found that he wasn’t like that at all. He’s really very nice. Sometimes, I feel like I ought to protect him.” | ||
Not surprising that Mailer aroused the maternal instinct. By 1972, he had already been married four times (he was to marry twice more). He admitted he could never live without a woman. | Not surprising that Mailer aroused the maternal instinct. By 1972, he had already been married four times (he was to marry twice more). He admitted he could never live without a woman. | ||
I decided to go up and question the great man myself. But my question | I decided to go up and question the great man myself. But my question {{pg|401|402}} was literary, a piece of Ph.D. trivia. Mailer pondered a moment and said, “I can’t answer that for you. You’ll have to do your own homework.” Then he paused and looked me straight in the eye. “There’s an old Mafia saying: ‘''Follow your nose''.{{' "}} | ||
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was literary, a piece of Ph.D. trivia. Mailer pondered a moment and said, “I can’t answer that for you. You’ll have to do your own homework.” Then he paused and looked me straight in the eye. “There’s an old Mafia saying: | |||
There in the perpetual twilight of the bar, I had a momentary flash, an epiphany: Mailer’s features suddenly melted into the face of the most voluble Jewish uncle who has ever lived, the kind who would take you aside at a party and say, “So, ''nu'', when are you going to wise up, ''putz''?”, the Spinoza of a drunken Bar Mitzvah. The type of uncle who would regale you at a family gathering, drink in hand, with the story of his life. A nice little guy better educated than the other relatives, the family philosopher, gregarious, a quick opinion on every topic of the day, always tossing out a joke or a sharp notion, but he spent his days as a traveling salesman. | There in the perpetual twilight of the bar, I had a momentary flash, an epiphany: Mailer’s features suddenly melted into the face of the most voluble Jewish uncle who has ever lived, the kind who would take you aside at a party and say, “So, ''nu'', when are you going to wise up, ''putz''?”, the Spinoza of a drunken Bar Mitzvah. The type of uncle who would regale you at a family gathering, drink in hand, with the story of his life. A nice little guy better educated than the other relatives, the family philosopher, gregarious, a quick opinion on every topic of the day, always tossing out a joke or a sharp notion, but he spent his days as a traveling salesman. | ||
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“Well, now you know how near-sighted I am.” Mailer is a past master at the art of self-deprecation as a saving gesture. | “Well, now you know how near-sighted I am.” Mailer is a past master at the art of self-deprecation as a saving gesture. | ||
The blunder was resolved with tact; each had saved face for the other. And that was how the evening ended, Uncle Norman proving himself human after all, neither genius nor fool nor boor, just a mild-mannered gentleman who had the small vanity not to wear his glasses. Had some bullies in a long-distant Brooklyn schoolyard taunted him once too often with the humiliating cry “Four-eyes”? A sensitive, friendly, slightly vain middle-aged | The blunder was resolved with tact; each had saved face for the other. And that was how the evening ended, Uncle Norman proving himself human after all, neither genius nor fool nor boor, just a mild-mannered gentleman who had the small vanity not to wear his glasses. Had some bullies in a long-distant Brooklyn schoolyard taunted him once too often with the humiliating cry “Four-eyes”? A sensitive, friendly, slightly vain middle-aged {{pg|402|403}} man who had committed a ''faux pas'' at a party and, courteous to a fault, made his amends and returned to grace. | ||
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man who had committed a ''faux pas'' at a party and, courteous to a fault, made his amends and returned to grace. | |||
== II. 1986: Uncle Norman at the University of Florida== | |||
Norman Mailer came to the University of Florida in Gainesville on February 25, 1986, sponsored by a student organization called Accent. He was paid $14,000 to give a talk entitled “The Art of Writing.” I was asked to introduce him. As he took the stage in the O’Connell Center, a huge, multi-purpose hall built for major speeches and sporting events, both Mailer and the mostly student crowd of several hundred seemed dwarfed by this cavernous arena built to seat thousands. | Norman Mailer came to the University of Florida in Gainesville on February 25, 1986, sponsored by a student organization called Accent. He was paid $14,000 to give a talk entitled “The Art of Writing.” I was asked to introduce him. As he took the stage in the O’Connell Center, a huge, multi-purpose hall built for major speeches and sporting events, both Mailer and the mostly student crowd of several hundred seemed dwarfed by this cavernous arena built to seat thousands. | ||
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In 1972, it was the tempestuous Nixon years: the Vietnam War was still raging, the country was facing an election, and Mailer faced vociferous protest at Berkeley from both women’s liberation and gay liberation. In 1986, it was the quiescent Reagan era. It was as if the Gipper had force-fed America a massive dose of valium, and everybody was living in Fantasyland, trying to pretend the 1960s never happened. Robert Lowell once wrote, “These are the tranquilized ''Fifties'', and I am forty” (“Memories of West Street and Lepke”). Well, these were the tranquilized Eighties, and I was forty. | In 1972, it was the tempestuous Nixon years: the Vietnam War was still raging, the country was facing an election, and Mailer faced vociferous protest at Berkeley from both women’s liberation and gay liberation. In 1986, it was the quiescent Reagan era. It was as if the Gipper had force-fed America a massive dose of valium, and everybody was living in Fantasyland, trying to pretend the 1960s never happened. Robert Lowell once wrote, “These are the tranquilized ''Fifties'', and I am forty” (“Memories of West Street and Lepke”). Well, these were the tranquilized Eighties, and I was forty. | ||
The times were tamer, and Mailer too had aged and mellowed. He was dapper in a double-breasted blue blazer, white, open-collared shirt, and grey slacks. No more blue jeans for his public performances. At sixty-three, he looked stouter and more wrinkled and his hair thinner and whiter then when I had last seen him–but then, I was fourteen years older too. And this bored Florida student crowd was a far cry from the Berkeley rebels who had alternately cheered, booed, and heckled and disrupted Mailer’s speech in 1972. Some of these UF students had actually been required to attend by a journalism professor. The headline in the Florida student newspaper the next day told the tale: “'''Meet Mailer the lamb: Dry audience dampens author’s | The times were tamer, and Mailer too had aged and mellowed. He was dapper in a double-breasted blue blazer, white, open-collared shirt, and grey slacks. No more blue jeans for his public performances. At sixty-three, he looked stouter and more wrinkled and his hair thinner and whiter then when I had last seen him–but then, I was fourteen years older too. And this bored Florida student crowd was a far cry from the Berkeley rebels who had alternately cheered, booed, and heckled and disrupted Mailer’s speech in 1972. Some of these UF students had actually been required to attend by a journalism professor. The headline in the Florida student newspaper the next day told the tale: “'''Meet Mailer the lamb: Dry audience dampens author’s''' {{pg|403|404}} '''rhetoric'''” (Hagy, Jim, ''The Independent Florida Alligator'', 26 Feb. 1986, p. 1). | ||
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Mailer began apologetically, saying his reputation had been exaggerated. They seemed to expect a wild man like Hunter S. Thompson: “I couldn’t carry Hunter Thompson’s water pail,” he said modestly. He referred to the last lecture he had given at the University of Florida, in 1975, when the audience heckled him; he felt he had laid an egg that night and seemed to want to make up for it. But his opening anecdote about the boxer Sonny Liston, intended to warm them up, received no response. “That’s the first time I’ve told that story without getting a laugh,” he said. “I can see we’re going to have a lot of fun tonight.” With that, the audience finally laughed, and Mailer smiled for the first time that evening. | Mailer began apologetically, saying his reputation had been exaggerated. They seemed to expect a wild man like Hunter S. Thompson: “I couldn’t carry Hunter Thompson’s water pail,” he said modestly. He referred to the last lecture he had given at the University of Florida, in 1975, when the audience heckled him; he felt he had laid an egg that night and seemed to want to make up for it. But his opening anecdote about the boxer Sonny Liston, intended to warm them up, received no response. “That’s the first time I’ve told that story without getting a laugh,” he said. “I can see we’re going to have a lot of fun tonight.” With that, the audience finally laughed, and Mailer smiled for the first time that evening. | ||
He read a passage about Muhammad Ali from ''The Fight'', speaking with a Southern twang, holding the book in his right hand while making short jabs with his clenched left fist. He also read from | He read a passage about Muhammad Ali from ''The Fight'', speaking with a Southern twang, holding the book in his right hand while making short jabs with his clenched left fist. He also read from ''The Art of Writing'', which had recently been published in ''Michigan Quarterly Review''. | ||
Afterwards there were the inevitable questions about Mailer’s reputation as a male chauvinist. “I’ve been called a sexist. I’ve been called macho. . . . Women don’t know what they’re talking about....Women have been telling men how to live in New York for the last century.” Some in the audience groaned; others laughed. | Afterwards there were the inevitable questions about Mailer’s reputation as a male chauvinist. “I’ve been called a sexist. I’ve been called macho. . . . Women don’t know what they’re talking about. . . . Women have been telling men how to live in New York for the last century.” Some in the audience groaned; others laughed. | ||
The evening had been neither triumph nor disaster for Mailer, but there was no way it could compare with the absurdist warfare that had taken place during his speech at Berkeley in 1972. | The evening had been neither triumph nor disaster for Mailer, but there was no way it could compare with the absurdist warfare that had taken place during his speech at Berkeley in 1972. | ||
At the reception, I asked Mailer about his projected trilogy. When his novel ''Ancient Evenings'' (1983) appeared, it was announced as the first of a fictional trilogy beginning in ancient Egypt and stretching into the far future. Mailer said the trilogy was now “on ice.” He said that he spent eleven years on the Egyptian novel, that it could stand by itself, and that he felt no great impulse to continue. He also admitted he was hesitant about writing about the future because science fiction was not his genre. He didn’t know enough about computers, for one thing. I said I taught science fiction, and he asked, “Is it really close to magic?” I mentioned Arthur C. Clarke’s remark: | At the reception, I asked Mailer about his projected trilogy. When his novel ''Ancient Evenings'' (1983) appeared, it was announced as the first of a fictional trilogy beginning in ancient Egypt and stretching into the far future. Mailer said the trilogy was now “on ice.” He said that he spent eleven years on the Egyptian novel, that it could stand by itself, and that he felt no great impulse to continue. He also admitted he was hesitant about writing about the future because science fiction was not his genre. He didn’t know enough about computers, for one thing. I said I taught science fiction, and he asked, “Is it really close to magic?” I mentioned Arthur C. Clarke’s remark: “any sufficiently advanced technology is close to magic.” Although Mailer majored in engineering at Harvard and wrote ''Of a Fire on the Moon'' about the Apollo astronauts, he had always deeply distrusted technology and preferred magic. | ||
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The past year he’d mostly been writing screenplays for money. He had six kids in school and had to pay the bills. Every month he met with his accountant and was “$10,000 down or $10,000 up.” That’s also why he spoke at Florida. He was working on Godard’s adaptation of ''King Lear'' (which was eventually made, but not a good film). Mailer spoke admiringly of Kurosawa’s ''Ran'', an adaptation of ''Macbeth''. He was also researching the life of Jewish racketeer Meyer Lansky for a possible film. | The past year he’d mostly been writing screenplays for money. He had six kids in school and had to pay the bills. Every month he met with his accountant and was “$10,000 down or $10,000 up.” That’s also why he spoke at Florida. He was working on Godard’s adaptation of ''King Lear'' (which was eventually made, but not a good film). Mailer spoke admiringly of Kurosawa’s ''Ran'', an adaptation of ''Macbeth''. He was also researching the life of Jewish racketeer Meyer Lansky for a possible film. | ||
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Mailer said he liked the Russians: “They are deeper than Americans. I thought they all looked Jewish.” He met and admired the poet Yevtushenko and twice viewed a movie Yevtushenko had made. I said Russian poets were like rock stars or opera singers; Mailer agreed. | Mailer said he liked the Russians: “They are deeper than Americans. I thought they all looked Jewish.” He met and admired the poet Yevtushenko and twice viewed a movie Yevtushenko had made. I said Russian poets were like rock stars or opera singers; Mailer agreed. | ||
He said that the American government had been lying to us about Russia throughout the Cold War to exaggerate the threat. He found Russia in 1985 not to be a great power but a sad place, a Third World country, like the | He said that the American government had been lying to us about Russia throughout the Cold War to exaggerate the threat. He found Russia in 1985 not to be a great power but a sad place, a Third World country, like the {{pg|405|406}} United States if it had been devastated by war and then run by the Army. He called it more “an Army state” then a police state: “In the Army, everyone gets drunk as a way of saying, ‘I don’t give a shit about your institution.{{' "}} That, he claimed, accounts for the appalling rate of alcoholism in Russia. | ||
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United States if it had been devastated by war and then run by the Army. He called it more “an Army state” then a police state: “In the Army, everyone gets drunk as a way of saying, ‘I don’t give a shit about your institution. | |||
Talk shifted to boxing: the fraternities at the University of Florida had recently held a “Slugfest” of amateur boxing. Mailer was fascinated; he wanted to know the details about the weight classes and the time of the rounds. He said, “If these guys are going in the ring for the first time, they must be terrified.” The students said this was generally true. He talked about boxers psyching themselves up for weeks before a fight, and the pressure and terror with which they lived. | Talk shifted to boxing: the fraternities at the University of Florida had recently held a “Slugfest” of amateur boxing. Mailer was fascinated; he wanted to know the details about the weight classes and the time of the rounds. He said, “If these guys are going in the ring for the first time, they must be terrified.” The students said this was generally true. He talked about boxers psyching themselves up for weeks before a fight, and the pressure and terror with which they lived. | ||
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The topic switched to skydiving. Mailer said he once flew a glider but didn’t like it: too noisy, you had to concentrate on the instruments, and he got nauseated. Some students at a college he visited had once invited him skydiving. He was terrified all night at the prospect and relieved the next morning when it rained and they couldn’t go up. I admired Mailer’s honesty about his fears and incapacities, something he confronts in all his fiction. The terror he said boxers lived with was deeply familiar to Mailer. | The topic switched to skydiving. Mailer said he once flew a glider but didn’t like it: too noisy, you had to concentrate on the instruments, and he got nauseated. Some students at a college he visited had once invited him skydiving. He was terrified all night at the prospect and relieved the next morning when it rained and they couldn’t go up. I admired Mailer’s honesty about his fears and incapacities, something he confronts in all his fiction. The terror he said boxers lived with was deeply familiar to Mailer. | ||
I asked him about the scene of climbing the monument in Provincetown in his novel ''Tough Guys Don’t Dance'' (1984). He said it was based on his experience of rock climbing and on the experience of a guy who actually climbed the monument. We began to mentally cast the film ''Tough Guys Don’t Dance'', which Mailer was about to direct. For Timothy Madden, I suggested William Hurt; Mailer said his name had been mentioned (the part was finally played by Ryan O’Neal). The part of Regency was tougher to cast. Mailer said there weren’t many big, tough guys who could act. I mentioned Brian Dennehy (Wings Hauser ended up playing Regency). Then I described in detail to Mailer the plot of the Coen brothers’ film ''Blood Simple'' (1985), a murder thriller I had recently seen. Mailer was momentarily taken aback, saying, “Jesus! That plot is better than mine.” He was dissatisfied with the ending of ''Tough Guys Don't Dance'' but didn’t yet know how to change it. (''Tough Guys Don't Dance'' | I asked him about the scene of climbing the monument in Provincetown in his novel ''Tough Guys Don’t Dance'' (1984). He said it was based on his experience of rock climbing and on the experience of a guy who actually climbed the monument. We began to mentally cast the film ''Tough Guys Don’t Dance'', which Mailer was about to direct. For Timothy Madden, I suggested William Hurt; Mailer said his name had been mentioned (the part was finally played by Ryan O’Neal). The part of Regency was tougher to cast. Mailer said there weren’t many big, tough guys who could act. I mentioned Brian Dennehy (Wings Hauser ended up playing Regency). Then I described in detail to Mailer the plot of the Coen brothers’ film ''Blood Simple'' (1985), a murder thriller I had recently seen. Mailer was momentarily taken aback, saying, “Jesus! That plot is better than mine.” He was dissatisfied with the ending of ''Tough Guys Don't Dance'' but didn’t yet know how to change it. (''Tough Guys Don't Dance'' {{pg|406|407}} [1987] had its moments, but it failed at the box office and became Mailer’s first and last try at directing a Hollywood film. He was right: ''Blood Simple'' was a better thriller.) | ||
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[1987] had its moments, but it failed at the box office and became Mailer’s first and last try at directing a Hollywood film. He was right: ''Blood Simple'' was a better thriller.) | |||
Because I’d never boxed or gone skydiving or rock climbing, I talked about running with the bulls in Pamplona, which I had done in 1974. I said the real danger of running was not so much from the bulls but from fellow runners who tripped or stumbled, causing a human pileup or montón. Then many people could be gored or trampled by the bulls or the steers. Mailer said, “What a humiliating way to go: trampled by a steer!” I said, “To the guy getting trampled, it would make no difference which animal killed him.” But Mailer was concerned about dying a noble death. | Because I’d never boxed or gone skydiving or rock climbing, I talked about running with the bulls in Pamplona, which I had done in 1974. I said the real danger of running was not so much from the bulls but from fellow runners who tripped or stumbled, causing a human pileup or montón. Then many people could be gored or trampled by the bulls or the steers. Mailer said, “What a humiliating way to go: trampled by a steer!” I said, “To the guy getting trampled, it would make no difference which animal killed him.” But Mailer was concerned about dying a noble death. | ||
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I thought to myself: this is wife number six. I figured she would also be his last. | I thought to myself: this is wife number six. I figured she would also be his last. | ||
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