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==Project Organization== | ==Project Organization== | ||
Should each letter have its own page? I’m leaning toward '''yes''' here. | Should each letter have its own page? I’m leaning toward '''yes''' here. | ||
: Yes. | : Yes. [[User:Grlucas|Grlucas]] ([[User talk:Grlucas|talk]]) 12:06, 25 March 2019 (UTC) | ||
::{{reply to|Grlucas}} Do we need to seek permission for the Mailer letters? [[User:JVbird|JVbird]] ([[User talk:JVbird]]) | |||
:::{{reply to|JVbird}} No, I have already secured permissions. —[[User:Grlucas|Grlucas]] ([[User talk:Grlucas|talk]]) 20:25, 3 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
==Letter Pages== | ==Letter Pages== | ||
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:::{{reply to|Dillbug}} How about the way I began doing it with a table on the [[AAD:Letters|main page]]? This is close to Gilbert’s suggestion. —[[User:Grlucas|Grlucas]] ([[User talk:Grlucas|talk]]) 21:31, 26 March 2019 (UTC) | :::{{reply to|Dillbug}} How about the way I began doing it with a table on the [[AAD:Letters|main page]]? This is close to Gilbert’s suggestion. —[[User:Grlucas|Grlucas]] ([[User talk:Grlucas|talk]]) 21:31, 26 March 2019 (UTC) | ||
::::{{reply to|Grlucas}} I think a table would work well and make adding the letters much easier. I would like to work on adding the letters. Where do I find the actual letters to digitize and format?--[[User:Dillbug|Dillbug]] ([[User talk:Dillbug|talk]]) 21:05, 27 March 2019 (UTC) | ::::{{reply to|Grlucas}} I think a table would work well and make adding the letters much easier. I would like to work on adding the letters. Where do I find the actual letters to digitize and format?--[[User:Dillbug|Dillbug]] ([[User talk:Dillbug|talk]]) 21:05, 27 March 2019 (UTC) | ||
:::::{{reply to|Dillbug}} Everything you need is in the shared Google drive. —[[User:Grlucas|Grlucas]] ([[User talk:Grlucas|talk]]) 21:09, 27 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Final Letter Format == | |||
OK, I decided on the final letter format. See either of the [[AAD:Letters|first two letters for an example]]. I added a letterhead template and decided that we should make each letter's introductory statement into footnotes. Please let me know if you have any questions. I appreciate everyone's diligent and conscientious work. —[[User:Grlucas|Grlucas]] ([[User talk:Grlucas|talk]]) 12:21, 4 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
:{{reply to|Namir Riptide|JVbird|Dillbug}} Please be sure you read above for posting letters! Thanks. —[[User:Grlucas|Grlucas]] ([[User talk:Grlucas|talk]]) 21:01, 4 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
::{{reply to|Grlucas}} Noted and fixed. Please check the last six letters to make sure. [[User:Namir Riptide|Namir Riptide]] ([[User talk:Namir Riptide|talk]]) 01:08, 5 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::{{reply to|Grlucas|Namir Riptide|Dillbug}} Thanks! I'm going to wrap up my letters by Saturday at the latest, starting with the 2 I already posted, with corrections. [[User:JVbird|JVbird]] ([[User talk:JVbird|talk]]) 06:16, 5 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::{{reply to|Namir Riptide}} Looking good. Be sure everything that should be in italics is italicized, like titles of novels. There should also be no space between text and the footnote indication: Dear Whit,<sup>[1]</sup> '''not''' Dear Whit, <sup>[1]</sup> — these details are important, so be meticulous. Also, look at the [[Andre Deutsch, October 15, 1963|Deutsch letter]] again and how the footnotes are done: footnotes should be placed next to the items in the letter that they refer to — not all up front. Thanks. —[[User:Grlucas|Grlucas]] ([[User talk:Grlucas|talk]]) 11:21, 5 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
:{{reply to|JVbird}} Please have a look at this post to answer some of your questions about the formatting of your letters. Thanks. —[[User:Grlucas|Grlucas]] ([[User talk:Grlucas|talk]]) 23:21, 7 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
==Letter Format== | ==Letter Format== | ||
How should they be formatted? I.e., how should they appear on the screen? I think we should create a [[Wikipedia:Template:Navbar|navbar]] to link them. Other ideas? Check out ''[[Norman Mailer: Works and Days|WD]]'' entries for ideas. | How should they be formatted? I.e., how should they appear on the screen? I think we should create a [[Wikipedia:Template:Navbar|navbar]] to link them. Other ideas? Check out ''[[Norman Mailer: Works and Days|WD]]'' entries for ideas. | ||
: Each will use two templates: {{tl|NMletter}} as a header and {{tl|aade-sm}} somewhere on the page to identify it as part of this project. —[[User:Grlucas|Grlucas]] ([[User talk:Grlucas|talk]]) 12:06, 25 March 2019 (UTC) | : Each will use two templates: {{tl|NMletter}} as a header and {{tl|aade-sm}} somewhere on the page to identify it as part of this project. —[[User:Grlucas|Grlucas]] ([[User talk:Grlucas|talk]]) 12:06, 25 March 2019 (UTC) | ||
OK, I was playing with format. Which do you like better? | |||
# The one I posted for [[Ambassador Gutierres-Olivos, September 18, 1963]]; or | |||
# The one that's [[User:Grlucas/sandbox|in my sandbox]]? | |||
What think you? —[[User:Grlucas|Grlucas]] ([[User talk:Grlucas|talk]]) 20:51, 29 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
:{{reply to|Grlucas}} I like the one in your sandbox better. It seperates the letter from the rest of the information on the page visually. [[User:Namir Riptide|Namir Riptide]] ([[User talk:Namir Riptide|talk]]) 19:52, 30 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
:: {{reply to|Grlucas}} I agree with Namir the sandbox looks so much better and very similar to the example you provided to follow.--[[User:Dillbug|Dillbug]] ([[User talk:Dillbug|talk]]) 18:36, 2 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
::{{reply to|Namir Riptide}} Yeah, I thought I did, too, but it doesn't work too well when you resize your browser window. Maybe if we aligned everything on the left, it would work better. I can keep playing. —[[User:Grlucas|Grlucas]] ([[User talk:Grlucas|talk]]) 21:22, 30 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::{{reply to|Grlucas}} Unfortuantely, with the formatting from the sandbox example, the addresses spill out of the box and the signature wraps around to the next line. A few colons less and they would fit. But the two letters available for viewing are not the same format. Which to use with our letter postings in our sandboxes? [[User:Namir Riptide|Namir Riptide]] ([[User talk:Namir Riptide|talk]]) 00:29, 4 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
::::{{reply to|Namir Riptide}} Sandboxes are unnecessary in this case. Just work on the letters in the main space. Scary... | |||
:::::{{reply to|Grlucas}} Still using them to play around with formatting and editing is okay, yes? And i have run into another problem . the Letters i got from our student talk do not have pages for me to add them. | |||
::::::{{reply to|Namir Riptide}} You may use your sandbox for anything you'd like. I'm not sure what you mean by "do not have pages"? —[[User:Grlucas|Grlucas]] ([[User talk:Grlucas|talk]]) 11:17, 4 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::::::{{reply to|Grlucas}} It was that the links to pages for the letters were not made. I figured it out and have posted the letters I was to do. I have also added links to other letters not yet done. | |||
I was also thinking that instead of introducing the letters, we put the introductory comments in footnotes. The intros made sense in a book format, but footnotes might make more sense here. What say you? —[[User:Grlucas|Grlucas]] ([[User talk:Grlucas|talk]]) 00:36, 4 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
::{{reply to|Grlucas}} Dr. Lucas, I posted all of my letters from January 1964 - March 1964 in separate sandboxes using your sandbox format for an example. I put any introductory comments at the beginning of each letter as in your example. Should I now change the format? If so, which format should I use? Are we now to post them directly to PM? --[[User:Dillbug|Dillbug]] ([[User talk:Dillbug|talk]]) 18:54, 4 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::{{reply to|Dillbug}} Be sure you read the conversation. There's no need to use sandboxes. Also see [[#Final Letter Format]] above. Alterations in your letters will need to be made. Thanks. —[[User:Grlucas|Grlucas]] ([[User talk:Grlucas|talk]]) 21:05, 4 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
:I think knowing what is going on when reading the letters may help in understanding why the letter is important to be posted. [[User:Namir Riptide|Namir Riptide]] ([[User talk:Namir Riptide|talk]]) 01:01, 4 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
==Categories== | ==Categories== | ||
What will be our category schema? | What will be our category schema? | ||
: Each of the above templates will include appropriate categories. —[[User:Grlucas|Grlucas]] ([[User talk:Grlucas|talk]]) 12:06, 25 March 2019 (UTC) | : Each of the above templates will include appropriate categories. —[[User:Grlucas|Grlucas]] ([[User talk:Grlucas|talk]]) 12:06, 25 March 2019 (UTC) | ||
:{{reply to|Grlucas}} Is this <nowiki>{{tl|NMletter}}</nowiki> any different than <nowiki>{{NMletter}}</nowiki>? Thanks. ~~([[User:Dmcgonagill|Dmcgonagill]] ([[User talk:Dmcgonagill|talk]]) 22:22, 14 April 2019 (UTC)) | |||
::{{reply to| Dmcgonagill}} The former one lets you show the template on the page: {{tl|NMletter}}. Use the latter one in the letters. —[[User:Grlucas|Grlucas]] ([[User talk:Grlucas|talk]]) 22:28, 14 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
==Cite Button== | |||
My sandbox does not have a "cite" button. Am I the only person with this issue?—[[User:ssimsjones|ssimsjones]] ([[User talk:ssimsjones|talk]]) 05:01, 6 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
:{{reply to|ssimsjones}} You know, I never installed the visual editor here because I don't use it. This might be what you mean. I'm reluctant to do it, as I don't want to slow my install down any more. If many want the visual editor option, I might consider. Sorry for any trouble. —[[User:Grlucas|Grlucas]] ([[User talk:Grlucas|talk]]) 12:31, 7 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
::{{reply to|Grlucas}} Thank You Dr. Lucas. I will work on submitting any references manually. With only a few weeks left, I'm not sure that everyone will want it installed. —[[User:ssimsjones|ssimsjones]] ([[User talk:ssimsjones|talk]]) 12:06, 7 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Review Letters == | |||
{{reply to|Grlucas}} I am hopeful my letters are ready for review. I am responsible for the Letters written from January 1964 through the end of March 1964.--[[User:Dillbug|Dillbug]] ([[User talk:Dillbug|talk]]) 16:33, 9 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
::{{reply to|Dillbug}} Great, post ’em, and we’ll have a look. Thanks! —[[User:Grlucas|Grlucas]] ([[User talk:Grlucas|talk]]) 16:44, 9 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::{{reply to|Grlucas}} Unless I somehow posted them incorrectly (you know I can do it), the letters are already posted and ready for review.--[[User:Dillbug|Dillbug]] ([[User talk:Dillbug|talk]]) 16:54, 9 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
::::{{reply to|Dillbug}} Oh, yeah. Those have all been reviewed and tweaked by me and {{User|Jules Carry}}. 👍🏼 —[[User:Grlucas|Grlucas]] ([[User talk:Grlucas|talk]]) 18:37, 9 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::::{{reply to|Grlucas}} So very happy to hear I posted the letters in the right area correctly! One task down, and more to go.--[[User:Dillbug|Dillbug]] ([[User talk:Dillbug|talk]]) 20:01, 9 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Missing Letters == | |||
{{reply to|JenniferMGA|Roger C. Byrd}} Would you guys like to help with the missing letters? Let us know. —[[User:Grlucas|Grlucas]] ([[User talk:Grlucas|talk]]) 21:25, 11 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
{{ | :{{reply to|Grlucas}} I'm posting them now! Sorry for the delay! [[User:JenniferMGA|JenniferMGA]] ([[User talk:JenniferMGA|talk]]) 00:20, 13 April 2019 (UTC) | ||
::Update on the Letters is that they are all posted! Woohoo![[User:JenniferMGA|JenniferMGA]] ([[User talk:JenniferMGA|talk]]) 02:12, 13 April 2019 (UTC) | |||